Friday, November 5, 2004

Sounds like something Hollywood Michael Moore and his blame-America first crowd would say.

What I find disturbing is that it reminds me of world reaction to Islamic Fascism. Twenty years ago Islamic Fascist would simply hijack planes to get what they want, today they evolved into hijacking planes for use in ramming into civilian buildings killing thousands in an instant. Today, we have people here in America who are defending the perpetuation of Islamic Fascism under their guise of so-called peace.

An artist was stab and shot for making a film exposing horrific treatment of Islamic females by an Islamic Fascist openly on the streets of Amsterdam yet this event is treated with insignificance by many around the world. Many 'artists' here in America are more concerned with their botox injections than they are with the implications of Van Gogh's murder.

The implications of this event are quite disturbing to me.

syn (ip:68.174.96.173) 5 November 2004 - 14:03 uur

hear hear, totally agree with syn.
It seems that to many outstanders this is "just" some pay-back for what Van Gogh has said and showed with his movies... But we are facing a group of people, most probably more numerous than we imagine, that can cause serious damage or even destruction, to civilization and the pillars it is built upon...
It is good to see that through means of internet, different opinions are spread, so that outstanders might be able to get a broader view on the case.
But still, this is only one man. How many will have to follow before structural change are being made? Or will there be no chance for that?
I am sad.

tzar (ip:217.77.152.31) 5 November 2004 - 15:24 uur

wow...this story is quite disturbing.

welcome to the reality of islamic terrorism.

i certainly hope your government is able to deal with this swiftly and efficiently.

god bless van gogh's soul.

Jason -- USA (ip:24.95.89.189) 5 November 2004 - 15:39 uur

Being a Moroccan woman myself, I can't even begin to express the extent of outrage and sorrow I feel in my heart for the loss of Theo Van Gogh. Theo is my hero now and forever! I don't particularly see him as a freedom fighter, he merely expressed himself about the absurdity of certain misguided traditions disguised as Islamic, which are designed to keep the Muslim woman down for the benefit of the extremist Muslim male.

No one is to blame for Theo's death except the vicious murderer who took his life.

Taking someone's life is NEVER the answer!

I do have to say that I don't agree with Hirsi Ali's approach on Islamic issues. She started out with the righteous intent to fight for women's rights, but she got carried away with her own personal vendetta against Islam. She's not doing me or any Muslim woman for that matter any favors. We all have our own issues we're dealing with on a day to day basis, but there are many ways to go about things to produce positive results. Using sex as a means to get her point across with "Submission" is more than a tad overboard if you ask me. It's outright malicious, especially given the times we live in and the issues at hand. Her statements are harsh and confrontational in a negative way and only meant to ignite anger and frustration.

As a politician she had the perfect opportunity to seek diplomacy to create dialogue and understanding in order to pave the road to integration and assimilation, rather than alienation, terror and death.

Of course I can only judge from the other side of the fence. As a Dutch citizen my heart bleeds for the country's current state of affairs, and as a human being I only wish and pray for the best.
God bless!

Myrtus (ip:205.188.116.5) 5 November 2004 - 16:08 uur

Dialogue with someone who has no problem slitting your throat? Yeah, right. The only way to stop the insanity is to be confrontational and confront it.

William (ip:68.158.168.21) 5 November 2004 - 17:26 uur

Well, all of the birds are coming home to roost now.

Theo van Gogh was an obnoxious, loudmouthed ranter, with little sense of style. But these mohammadans are way over the top. Jews, Christians, Buddhists, atheists, everyone else puts up with having their ideas ridiculed and defamed WITHOUT RESORTING TO VIOLENCE.

However, this sort of thing is sanctioned by mohammadans, there's even a story about some Arabian poetess who ridicules that disgusting pedophile mohammad and is slain by one of his followers. The scumbag psycopath then tells his follower , who is feeling guilty, that it means nothing.

My question to the Nederlanders from across the pond is, what are you going to do about it?
Ring your hands? Convene a conference? Demonstrate? Maybe if you guys just stop blaspheming the Prophet (may he rot in hell forever) and act all nice with the ragheads
they won't kill you cloggies?

You guys have opened the gates of your country to
a violent, unassimilable minority that will not respect your rights. Pim Fortuyn was right! if you want to save the Netherlands you'd better act soon, you have a demographic time bomb ticking.

american (ip:192.149.105.50) 5 November 2004 - 18:57 uur

As a US citizen whose forefathers hailed from europe and one with a lifetime of great admiration for the brilliant Dutch people and it's fantastic society- let me say that Theo's death will not remain un-answered.
Many times in Amsterdam I found "ak47" to be something you smoked and enjoyed in a cookie or cake. Now I see I need a 9mm Gloch when I pass the falafel shop or mosque. I wish I could some how help post bail for the photographer arrested in Rotterdam trying to stop the sandblasting of the thou shall not kill mural. It was amazing to wacth the north african graffit cleaners do the work while a cop issued citations to the real citizen and photographer
The US soldiers I am in contact with truly enjoy the Dutch soliders who have been working together. They do laugh and share allot of stories when training and manuvering when together. I spent years drinking with the Dutch pilots who came to stay at a little Inn near my town of Los Gatos in Silicon Valley to train with US pilots at Moffett Naval Air station in Mountain View, CA USA. Such proud, humble, smiling and generous the Dutch people are.
Your contributions to a better world, vision, and sacrifices made will not have been in vain.
Long live the great Dutch society!
Venice, USA

Pato (ip:24.130.248.126) 5 November 2004 - 21:45 uur

@Pato: good to hear :) I enjoy visiting the USA (especially California, too bad I can't live in two countries :-)). The journalist got released the same day, but he will be fined. I am actually thinking about making a T-shirt about the mural incident. Oh, as for the Gloch: our gun laws are rather stringent ;-)

Arjan (ip:82.161.93.35) 5 November 2004 - 23:22 uur

The fact is that Islam is intolerant. Period. When Muslims say they are "tolerant" they mean they might let you live as second or third class citizens. Anywhere Muslims dominate they discriminate against other religions, women, gays and any other group they choose. If Muslims ever dominate any European country, expect the worse, because it will happen. All human rights we in the West take for granted will be thrown out. Forget equality laws, and say good-bye to your pensions, too. Even so-called moderate muslims are in denial, and cannot be honest about the many problems with Islam and it prophet. Just try to talk with a Muslim about the historical aspects of Muhammuds life (slavery, wars, executions, murder, 9 year old girls, etc...) even if using Muslims records and writings and see what happens.
John, Arizona USA

John Arthur (ip:68.104.203.30) 5 November 2004 - 19:08 uur

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