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Thursday, November 11, 2004
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John (ip:184.108.40.206) 11 November 2004 - 13:44 uur
Even more at http://www.windsofchange.net/archives/005877.php, including a pointer to BBC coverage in English: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3998347.stm
Engineer-Poet (ip:220.127.116.11) 11 November 2004 - 15:03 uur
From the-shoe-is-on-the-other-foot department:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/04/europe_netherlands_mourns_van_gogh/html/10.stm is part of the photoessay accompanying the BBC piece I linked to above. Money quote:
"I was born here but I'm Turkish and a Muslim. I hear 'Muslims this' and 'Muslims that' and I fall under that - I don’t feel so safe any more even when I'm in a mosque."
Engineer-Poet (ip:18.104.22.168) 11 November 2004 - 15:17 uur
Interestingly, Turks are, or are at least perceived as being, far less inclined toward extremist Islam than other Muslims in the Netherlands, especially Moroccans. Whenever Muslim criminals or terrorists are mentioned, by individuals or on TV, they're almost invariably identified as Moroccans. Likewise, "kut Marokkanen" ("Moroccan c*nts") is a common epithet, but I rarely hear the same level of invective directed at Turks.
I've often wondered what relations are like between the two groups. We may be about to find out.
vaara (ip:22.214.171.124) 11 November 2004 - 15:40 uur
Vaara, interestingly this is something that occured to me also. Maybe this is because the turkish state is more secular than many European countries. Unlike in Turkey where the Burqua and Islamic symbols are prohibited in a good part of public life (before government etc.) it's getting commonplace in European countries all over...
MAXX (from Austria) (ip:126.96.36.199) 11 November 2004 - 17:43 uur