Thursday, November 18, 2004

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As a Dutchman I am really getting sick and tired of the massive pandering of Dutch officials like Donner and others including the media towards the Muslim population of Holland. I empathize with the fact that the communities have to live with each other and that there is no immediate solution for the problems, but complacency and denial are only making things worse. There are and will be tensions between ethnic population groups that will only increase because of the demographic certainty that the Muslims will be more and more influential and in large areas even dominant. The utopian dreams of the Left for a multicultural society are collapsing and have never worked, but the facts are there to stay.
The main problem is however called JIHAD (not terrorism), which is a extremist religious phenomenon exclusively coming from Islam. Not every Islamic individual or group can be considered responsible for these "problems" and dangers to civilization, but there is something like a collective responsibility to help solve the problems. Whining and playing the role of victims are counter productive.and pandering to it will only infuriate the extremists on the other side.
So my advice to the Dutch opinion makers is: stop the pandering and start realizing that for a peaceful multicultural society all parties have to bear their responsibilities. There is no way back, only forward even is the future is dark.

CanadaCees (ip:24.67.253.203) 18 November 2004 - 23:56 uur

Isn´t this really a matter of the PVDA chickens coming home to roost? Victimization is a learned behavior, taught by generations of lefties, and now we get to reap the results.

I´m an american who has lived in Amsterdam for ten years, married and now have dutch children. The situation in this country makes me wonder if Holland will be the frontline of the war of civilizations that is rapidly coming. Ironic given that this country escaped the ravages of the first world war.

Amstertim (ip:195.212.29.67) 18 November 2004 - 10:16 uur

"So my advice to the Dutch opinion makers is: stop the pandering and start realizing that for a peaceful multicultural society all parties have to bear their responsibilities. There is no way back, only forward even is the future is dark."

CanadaCees,I think as long as the pandering involves all parties and leads to communication which produces positive results in both directions, I don't see anything wrong with it. What should be avoided at all cost is appeasement in the name of political correctness. That concept should be 6 feet under along with the islamofacist butchers who started all this. The most important thing is to ensure the survival of Dutch culture. It's the minorities that need to adapt and not the other way around.

Myrtus (ip:205.188.116.5) 18 November 2004 - 12:25 uur

The Dutch have some hard choices they are going to have to make. Sooner or later. Prognostication isn't the answer. The cure will be to honestly look at the choices that were made 30 years ago, thinking uncontrolled immigration was 'good'.

I don't envy those who have small children, who in the future may have to convert in order to survive.
The loss of priceless freedom is unthinkable. I hope the dutch love their children and freedom more than multiculturism.

mshyde (ip:66.118.27.235) 18 November 2004 - 23:53 uur

Y'know, as the grandkid of immigrants (3 of 4, anyway), I'm struck by this thought:

American immigration has until very recently been dominated by "the melting pot", the idea that immigrants come to America and are assimilated while contributing bits to the wider culture (especially food). Sure, we've always had a nativist streak (every generation that comes to America seems to want to shut the door behind them), but it was always balanced by an implicit understanding between the immigrant and American society. So long as they made an effort to assimilate, learn the language, and drop all other loyalties, we'd take practically anybody.

For whatever reason, despite the fact that it worked smashingly well, nobody's tried that in Europe. The idea that immigration requires assimilation, or at least adaptation.

Why not?

Penta (ip:134.198.241.50) 18 November 2004 - 10:18 uur

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